Fender deluxe vm problems

Fender deluxe vm problems DEFAULT

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Worth changing tubes on Fender Deluxe VM? (Or buy something else?)


I recently sold my (Evil) Twin as it was overkill for me in terms of size/volume. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on a Fender Deluxe VM as it sounded good (spent a day amp testing), is light/loud(enough) and has some built-in effects which is nice.

It's got 2 poweramp tubes, and 2 preamp tubes. I think the clean channel is real, but the gain channel is modeled.

Is it worth putting better than stock tubes in something like that, or is it mainly modeled-esque tone period?


My price range is between £400-500 or so, and I'm looking for twin type tones out of a 1x12 that won't break the back or bank. So I'm really itching to get a VM and maybe juicing it up a little, if it will help (it's always nice saying your gear is 'custom'!)

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Honestly, this sounds amp sounds like a sad perversion of the Deluxe. 40 watts? DSP?

I'm not keen on the new Fenders (printed circuit boards= no real mod/repair possibilities down the line), but I would say that if you're buying a new Fender the Deluxe reissue or even one of the Hotrod amps is a better choice. Skip the DSP, get something with springs in it.

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I went through a somewhat similar process a wee while back, wanted twin tones but in a smaller amp with less power.

End ed up getting a Deluxe Reverb reissue, it was a bit ice-picky in the highs but swapped the speaker out for a Celestion G12H and replaced the 6V6 tubes and now it sounds lovely.
It's not the same as a Twin but I prefer it now, you can certainly get a nice clean tone out of it but of course it breaks up earlier (I prefer that to be honest).

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Never been a fan of how the Hot Rod series breaks up. Not sure if it's voicing or things like that, but several friends have had them, and you can't get them above a certain volume or they just crack up too much (for my tastes).

I like the idea of the a non DSP one, but the regular Deluxe RI is quite a bit more expensive, and more specifically, out of my price range at the moment.

Someone was selling a Pro Reverb RI for a decent price, but somehow it weighs only 2lbs less than a twin, which is crazy for being a 1x12 (75lbs).

What tubes did you change the power tubes out for?

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I wouldn´t buy the Deluxe. It has a raspy agreaaive sound. It´s okay for clean sounds but not great.

The bassman reissue, this one is great. The sound breaks nicely. To get to modern metal tones, well you need a distortion unit, but the basic is nailed perfectly.

I had an original VibroVerb, i didn´t test the reissue but the original was an amazing sounding machine. No matter how i crancked it always sounded clean, untill i listened to the record to verify it had the exact amount of dirt it had to be.



right now i´m divided between the Peavey Windsor and the Koch Studiotone. I didn´t try either of those bur both seem a reasonable choice, especially the Peavey. heh

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I see where you're coming from regarding the hotrod and the expense of the reissue. Since I know our friends in the UK have a much harder time finding vintage Fender stuff (and that when they do it comes with a hefty mark-up), I hate to even say this, but there's a reason why the old stuff is more desirable. For me it starts with point-to-point wiring. This means the amp can be tweaked, adjusted, and even modified until it sounds just the way you want it. Aside from tube swapping, you really can do that with a modern Fender with circuit boards inside.

Perhaps I'm only fueling gear lust and dissatisfaction. For that, I apologize. So I'll say this, it's the music that matters. Find an amp that works for you and that will hold up. The latter reason is why it is worth considering the above issues.

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If size/cost weren't an issue I'd totally want to go older fender, but as you mentioned in the UK it's harder. I brought my twin over from the U.S. (I moved here in 07) and converted it to UK power myself thinking I'd never get rid of the amp.

After doing many solo shows I really got tired of the size.

To be honest, this is my setup for 95% of my live gigs (in which I would use the amp):



So it's primarily used for weird/diy electronics, the roland sampler, and that pseudo-zither looking 3 tiered thing in the right of the picture.

I picked up a used Deluxe VM a few weeks ago. After a few weeks It seems like the Gain channel is VERY hissy. I don't know if it got like this over the last few weeks or if it way always there and I'm just noticing it. I play a Strat and don't like to add much distortion to the gain channel because it fights with the Strat tone. So I tend to set the gain knob to 2 and the volume knob up loud. So it's the power amp section that's making all the hiss. Any solutions? Might it be a tube? Which one and why? Thanks.

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not sure how much they are in your neck of the woods but I got to play a Super Sonic 22 and was blown away you might want to try one out

hopefully it's in your price range.

It's the deluxe on the normal channel but it has a burn channel that has some great sounding imho of course YMMV overdrive sounds.

you wouldn't get the built in effects but I think it sounds a lot nicer than the Deluxe VM sitting next to it at the guitar shop I frequent.

here's a demo from proguitarshop
YouTube - Fender Super Sonic 22

I've heard the Super Sonic and liked it. I can't afford to buy another amp right now. I really like the clean channel in the Deluxe VM and use that most of the time. It's the gain/drive channel that is hissy. It's notice it when I'm recording it. If I turn up the gain knob and turn down the volume knob it's not that noticable but that's not the tone I like. Of course I can just use the clean channel and put my compressor and Tube Screamer in front of it. But if it's just a tube in the drive channel that's causing the hiss, well that would be an easy fix and I'd be happy enough with the amp. I DO like the effects.
Thanks for your response.

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Originally Posted by kriista➡️

I recently sold my (Evil) Twin as it was overkill for me in terms of size/volume. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on a Fender Deluxe VM as it sounded good (spent a day amp testing), is light/loud(enough) and has some built-in effects which is nice.

It's got 2 poweramp tubes, and 2 preamp tubes. I think the clean channel is real, but the gain channel is modeled.

Is it worth putting better than stock tubes in something like that, or is it mainly modeled-esque tone period?


My price range is between £400-500 or so, and I'm looking for twin type tones out of a 1x12 that won't break the back or bank. So I'm really itching to get a VM and maybe juicing it up a little, if it will help (it's always nice saying your gear is 'custom'!)

I've had alot of Fenders, Pro Junior, Deluxe Reverb, Hot Rod Deluxe, Bassman, Champion 600. But I bought a new amp that will do what they do, but much better, and way more. I bought an Egnater Tweaker. It screams like a Marshall, Does the scooped low/high thing like a Vox, and Cleans up like a Fender. It actually has the tone stack from all three, switchable with a switch. Sounds like you need a versailte amp....this is about the most versatile amp (with real tone) that I have used. The Rebel 30 is pretty serious too. If you can find an Egnater, check it out...it will change your mind about the fenders. Fenders don't sound like they did in the 60's-70's anymore. I love Fender guitars, but the newer amps have always not sounded quite right. Also, the Blackstar and Jet City amps have great tone as well. I've also heard that Bugera (Matchless Clone) is pretty darn close to a Matchless. Take it as one man's opinion, but I won't be buying any more Fender Amps...not because of the build quality (they're built just fine), but because of the sound in the studio and live. You can get alot more tone for the kind of money you are talking. If you have to change the tubes in an amp, then you have a problem with the sound in the first place. Modeled tone sucks man. Not usable. I understand models in a computer...but not in an amp. The sound isn't real.

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What are you looking for in a amp? What tone are you trying to achieve?

Agree with Stevens. It seems as though in the last few years we've seen a lot more boutique(ish) amps come down in price big time. I've been looking at the Blackstar line myself, and as he mentioned, Egnator.

I was just wondering if anyone knew where the hiss would be coming from. I'm completely happy with the way the VM works except for the hiss in the drive channel. I also have a silverface deluxe and a blackface deluxe and an Ampeg V4 and have been performing and recording professionally for 40 years. I know the difference between 'all tube' amps and how they sound compared to my Deluxe VM. I don't expect them to sound the same, or for one amp to do everything. Again, I'm not looking to buy another amp or compare amps right now. It was more of a question as to why the clean channel is completely quiet and the drive channel is so hissy. I know others with this amp who've said they don't have the hiss problem so I was thinking it might be because of a tube going bad or whatever and I thought maybe someone here might know.
And the amps mentioned above are great sounding... I agree (even the Bugera sounds really good!)
Thanks again for the responses.

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Sorry for the confusion, I was quoting the original poster. I wasn't suggesting amps for you. I was trying to talk them into getting something that sounds better. As far as the hiss on the drive channel, it could just be the way it sounds. It's not the tubes, as I'm guessing the same tubes power the drive and clean channels, (correct me if I'm wrong). Thats the problem I had with the Hot Rod. Drive channel sucked. My solution? Use the clean channel, and drive it with a good overdrive or distortion pedal. Once I figured out that the drive channel didn't give me what I needed, then I just didn't use it. The original poster noted that the drive channel was modeled. Digital drive doesn't sound the same. I bet the drive channel is going through the tubes, but its not generated by tubes, thus why it doesn't sound cool.

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It's not the tubes, as I'm guessing the same tubes power the drive and clean channels, (correct me if I'm wrong).

What I understand is the the power tubes are the same for both channels but that the drive channel is 'all tube' and that the clean channel is not. It's a bit confusing.

I thought the problem might be in the effects stage but with all the effects up, my clean channel is still not hissy... it's just in the drive channel when I have the Gain knob down low (around 2), and the Volume knob up loud (around 7).

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sorry I was also trying to help the OP so I apologize for any confusion

I'd suggest a Fulltone OCD driving the clean channel though in your instance and just bypass the entire drive channel to see if that fixes the problem. I wasn't fond of the drive on the Hot Rods so perhaps it's just bad Fender drive.

Yeah,
That's what I've been doing... bypassing the drive channel. But there's definitely something wrong with the amp. Without anything plugged into the amp, if you turn up the volume knob on the drive channel there's just too much hiss. If no one else knows why that would be, I'll probably have to take it to my repair guy and have him find the problem. I just hate having an unusable channel!

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Yeah,
That's what I've been doing... bypassing the drive channel. But there's definitely something wrong with the amp. Without anything plugged into the amp, if you turn up the volume knob on the drive channel there's just too much hiss. If no one else knows why that would be, I'll probably have to take it to my repair guy and have him find the problem. I just hate having an unusable channel!
I'm with you on that as far as the unusable channel. But as I said, I had one of those very nice Limited Edition tweed Hot Rods that was perfect, I just didn't use the drive channel, as it was unusable for me tone wise. Unusable for whatever reason is all the same to me, whether it be a buzz, ground issue, a tonal quality or whatever. Also I wanted to 2nd NYM1985's suggestion of Fulltone pedals. They are all good, especially the blue mosfet distortion one.

Well the drive channel sounds pretty good if I can set the Gain knob to 2 and the Volume knob to 7 or 8, but that brings up the hiss. I've talked to others who have this amp and most of them have no hiss like what I'm getting so I'll bring it to my amp tech.

Thanks for the Fulltone info. I'll check that out. Right now I'm driving the clean channel with a modded TS-9. Not bad although it does mess with the tone a bit.

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Originally Posted by NYM1985➡️

not sure how much they are in your neck of the woods but I got to play a Super Sonic 22 and was blown away you might want to try one out

hopefully it's in your price range.

It's the deluxe on the normal channel but it has a burn channel that has some great sounding imho of course YMMV overdrive sounds.

you wouldn't get the built in effects but I think it sounds a lot nicer than the Deluxe VM sitting next to it at the guitar shop I frequent.

here's a demo from proguitarshop
YouTube - Fender Super Sonic 22


Off topic again, but that's what I've noticed too, all the demos I've heard make me think it's the best new thing Fender have done with amps lately (instead of more re-issues and DSP models).

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Originally Posted by Jimmi Accardi➡️

Well the drive channel sounds pretty good if I can set the Gain knob to 2 and the Volume knob to 7 or 8, but that brings up the hiss. I've talked to others who have this amp and most of them have no hiss like what I'm getting so I'll bring it to my amp tech.

Thanks for the Fulltone info. I'll check that out. Right now I'm driving the clean channel with a modded TS-9. Not bad although it does mess with the tone a bit.

This an awesome amp and the clean channel is all solid state and uses one 12axl for the phase invertor. The drive channel uses all four and is true tube 2x12axl one 4 phase,one for preamp and two 6l6 5881's for power. The hiss is most likely caused by a tiny noise cap or caps where evr they are. If I knew I could tell ya and we could mod the them into big highvoltage marshall tin cans.
The speaker is the weak link in these very thin magnet special design due the closeness to the tubes. Preamp this baby out through the drive channel fxloop send jack to a sweet solid state amp eg.McIntosh and drive a high quality speaker cab with some jbl's,eminence,peavey black widows etc. I built a russian birch cab with two jbl e-120's 8ohm <drive channel<out through fx send jack to a McIntosh 2100 to my birch cab.
You also remove the 100k res. directly on the board connect to the drive channel jack also causes gain hiss. Just snip the ground.
hawk.


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Originally Posted by Jimmi Accardi➡️

Yeah,
That's what I've been doing... bypassing the drive channel. But there's definitely something wrong with the amp. Without anything plugged into the amp, if you turn up the volume knob on the drive channel there's just too much hiss. If no one else knows why that would be, I'll probably have to take it to my repair guy and have him find the problem. I just hate having an unusable channel!
I think it's "normal"...I had a Princeton recording...same problem. Returned it and commisioned a blackface Princeton clone instead...WAY BETTER.

Anywho, I've tried out a few other Princeton recording amps since for curiosity and they all hissed.

The Princeton RI however was dead silent, and is a fantastic amp.

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The DSP is only reverb,chorus,delay. The Deluxe VM is an overhauled Hotrod which had tonnes of flaws. The deluxevm's tone stack uses 2 x 12ax7's and can be pre amped out through the fx loop send jack. I love to hear some sweat tube changes to sweaten it up like the above mentioned blackface twin.
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I've not tried one yet, but I've heard good reports & reviews.

Interesting (to me anyway) that Fender have returned to the original idea for hybrid amps: solid state preamp with a valve power section. That always worked much better than the more common valve preamp with a solid state power section. It's more expensive to do it this way around, which I guess was why the marketing guys & accountants pushed them to go with the preamp valve design in the past.

Good to see them go back and work on improving the original concept. Actually I hear the VMs have a hybrid valve/solid state preamp and valve power section, so that's a new twist.

Not an "all valve" amp, but if it works...
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Post Posted 28 Jan 2014 9:03 pm    
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Has anybody checked out this amp for small rooms or at home for pedal steel. It is listed at 40 watts.
A couple hundred dollars less than the Deluxe Reverb. Thanks for your input in advance. J.R.
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That's not a Deluxe. FMIC uses those names in a ... promiscuous manner. If it's 40W, it's 2x6L6, not 2x 6V6.

It's more than a couple hundred less than the DR Reissue. Judging from the usual online retailers, it's also out of production.

FMIC makes a lot of "digital" amps - the Super Champs, the Mustang series, these. I would not want to be come dependent on one and have it break, because it appears that they make a limited run of the digital boards and *that's it*.

I have a Super Champ XD ( not an X2 ) and it's a cool little amp, but if the digital board ever goes, I'd have to put a whole new preamp into it. The Champ started making a lot of noise when I took it to rehearsal last June.

Don't get me wrong - I would think a 5E3 preamp in one of these would be very cool. But it'd be a lot of work. (5E3 is code for "tweed deluxe" ).

Turns out it was the ribbon cable from the digital board to the rest of the amp. So this amp is now officially a hangar queen.

But if the VM Deluxe will sit in air conditioning and not be moved a lot, it's likely to last a long time.

My 2x6L6 amp is a Blues Deluxe, one that's had the input jacks replaced and had some mods done to the gain staging around the PI. These are easy to find, but 40W is a bit much for a bedroom amp. I like the way a steel sounds through these, but that's my preference. You can find these used for the price of the VM Deluxe.
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Post Posted 30 Jan 2014 8:03 am    
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Thanks Les for the good info. It made me think so I did a lot of reserch, Amazon, E-Bay, Box stores and think the Fender Blues Deluxe will work well. Will try to find one to try. I had not seen the difference in the 6L6 and the 6V6. The tube sound is what I am after in a small amp. I wish their was one with just one channel and Volume, Bass, Middle, Treble and Reverb. I have a Sho-Bud Single Channel with JBL and that is all it has but is solid state.
I have had all the other amps that you try. Peavey Session 500, 400, Nashville 400, LTD, A pair of Nashville 112's and a Fender Steel King. Maybe their is one out their does not cost $5,000.00 but I have not found it. Thanks, J.R.
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Post Posted 30 Jan 2014 8:08 am    
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Another comment on this. I like the looks of the Fender Deluxe Reverb and would perfer that but only has 22 watts. Can this amp be boosted up without a lot of rework and cost? J.R.
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No, the DR is just 22 watts period. The imitation there is the amount of energy the power tubes can pass. It's possible to add transformers and such to chase the headroom up a bit, but you won't get far.
A pair of 6v6 is actually pushing it quite a bit @
22 watts in Class A/B.

If you get a Deluxe Reverb, and it doesn't have enough headroom ( steel players can use a lot of headroom ) it'll resell easily.

I personally use an original Fender Blues Deluxe - a 40 watt combo, and I haven't run into headroom issues - yet. It adds enough upper mids for my style without getting shrill. Some folks on here consider
that to not be enough amp - the present drummer is easy on the eardrums, so it works for now.
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Post Posted 31 Jan 2014 4:16 am    
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Les is correct..If we are seeking a Fender 40 watt 1x12 amp a Blues Deluxe or a Hot Rod Deluxe is a better alternative. The HR Deluxe will not give an excessive amount of headroom but for a small room where volumes are not outrageous it will do the job. I use one often for showcase gigs. Very nice/typical Fender tone..right up to where it breaks up ! But that's easy to work with.

And no, you cannot turn a 22 watt 6V6 amp into a 40 watt 6L6 amp other than trading it in on the 40 watter. Additionally, you cannot really improve the headroom on the 40 watt amp should you desire more, you do that by selling the 40 watt amp and getting a 60 watt HR Deville or a Twin...
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Post Posted 31 Jan 2014 12:13 pm    
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Thanks guys for the input and info. Tom Wolerton has a thread in this section on the reverb control. He was giving info to change send tube and later stated that it was a good enought fix. I guess I will find out tomorrow, my grandson is bringing a 1990 Deluxe Reverb I brought off the internet where he is going to college. It has a Webber Speaker in it and I was told this helps a lot. Thanks, J.R.
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Post Posted 31 Jan 2014 3:49 pm     22 to 40
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I have seen some guys do a up watt to any eyelet style fender circuit board but
i don't think that is doable on a PC based amp ..
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Post Posted 2 Feb 2014 7:21 am    
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Got the old/new to me Deluxe Reverb. Sounds GREAT.
Will work for me for living room playing. I am sure the Blues Deluxe would be much better with two times the power. I have had in my younger days two Black Face 1965's Fender Twins, first one with two JBL's,
second one with a 15 inch JBL. Both great amps but needed a tow truck to load and haul. Thanks, J.R.
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Post Posted 8 Feb 2014 8:17 am     deluxevm
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The amp tech I know told me he could hand wire and boost the power on my reissue DR up to 50 watts if I wanted. The price seemed very fair also. I've thought about it but so far the power and tone is quite satisfactory.MD
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Post Posted 8 Feb 2014 10:19 am    
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Just to be clear, my tube replacement thread was about making the reverb control more usable. That tube substitution did not change headroom at all.

But putting a Telonics Neo 12", 8-ohm speaker into a DR sure made a difference. And the amp is nice and lightweight now too.
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newguy6

12-08-2014, 07:43 PM

Recently after losing power cable for my amp at a gig (I stupidly forgot to grab the cable as I packed everything up) I was given a new cable by the production manager at that venue. That night I got home around 1am, plugged the cable in and powered up my amp. I didnt turn the volume up from 0 because it was so late, but I was satisfied that the amp even turned on. Next day I go to practice, I turn my amp on, plug my guitar in, turn up the volume...and nothing. Silence. Not even an electrical hum from the speakers. I maxed the volume on both the clean and drive channel and still nothing. I've tried just about everything I could think of. Are my tubes/speaker blown? New power cable not supporting the watts my amp needs? I have a gig coming up on December 20th with my band, and I may just have to buy a whole new amp if I cant find a solution. Anyone know what this could be?


Hi Hat

12-08-2014, 10:12 PM

Check that the wires are still connected to your speaker. Sometimes speaker wires come off.

Check the fuse if there is one. Is there a power light that lights up when you turn the amp on?


newguy6

12-08-2014, 11:02 PM

Hi Hat - checked the wires to the speaker, all connected, and the fuse is fine too. I just plugged in again and turned the amp on, the power light comes on but still no sound. Right now im plugged in directly from my amp to my guitar and nothing!


Cobalt

12-08-2014, 11:46 PM

Hi Hat - checked the wires to the speaker, all connected, and the fuse is fine too. I just plugged in again and turned the amp on, the power light comes on but still no sound. Right now im plugged in directly from my amp to my guitar and nothing!

I hate to tell this story but i will. When I first got my Fender Acoustanic Amp I had the same problem and I was all ready to ship it back and I realized I had pushed in the mute switch. Yours may not have a mute button though.


newguy6

12-09-2014, 12:30 AM

I hate to tell this story but i will. When I first got my Fender Acoustanic Amp I had the same problem and I was all ready to ship it back and I realized I had pushed in the mute switch. Yours may not have a mute button though.

Cobalt - Unfortunately there's no mute switch on this amp. I sort of improvised a mute switch while playing gigs though, since I really never play through the Drive channel I would put that on 0 and switch to it to avoid getting feedback, especially on smaller stages where everyone is closer together. Worked well as a "mute switch" haha. I'm not sure if this is true or not but I remember hearing this particular model was discontinued...now I'm wondering if anyone else had this problem with the amp. I'm bringing it to my next band practice to do some more trial and error, maybe try some other power cables. Worst case scenario, I'll have to invest in a new amp. I'm a little sad, this one served me well while it worked.


Cobalt

12-09-2014, 12:40 AM

Cobalt - Unfortunately there's no mute switch on this amp. I sort of improvised a mute switch while playing gigs though, since I really never play through the Drive channel I would put that on 0 and switch to it to avoid getting feedback, especially on smaller stages where everyone is closer together. Worked well as a "mute switch" haha. I'm not sure if this is true or not but I remember hearing this particular model was discontinued...now I'm wondering if anyone else had this problem with the amp. I'm bringing it to my next band practice to do some more trial and error, maybe try some other power cables. Worst case scenario, I'll have to invest in a new amp. I'm a little sad, this one served me well while it worked.

Don't give up on it yet. There are some pretty knowledgeable people here with amps. They just havent replied yet but Im sure they will.


newguy6

12-09-2014, 01:19 AM

Don't give up on it yet. There are some pretty knowledgeable people here with amps. They just havent replied yet but Im sure they will.

Thanks Cobalt, I'm gonna hope I find a solution to this problem soon. I have been thinking of purchasing a Marshall DSL 40c as it would probably give me a better tone for the stuff I'm playing in my band (we're an alternative/hard rock band though I play mainly blues outside of that group). I've been thinking it would be a good change in direction since the Fender Deluxe always left a little something to be desired for the sound I was looking for in this band, even though it really is a great amp. Any experience with a DSL40c?


MuskRatt

12-09-2014, 01:37 PM

re-seat the tubes. If not then you may have a fuse inside blown.

Deadly voltage can reside inside. Use NO METAL inside. Unplug before opening or take it to a qualified tech.

DO= Match the fuse.
DON'T = attempt to add larger smaller fuse that is not the specific match.

Be sure they are correct and check that schematics that no one else put a wrong fuse in.


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Thread: new bandmaster vm problem

You're right about the power. I'm glad that someone else hears the same as I do. I've got both the Deluxe VM, same amp in a combo and BMVM. I thought it might be the Cel. 70/80 speaker (98db) but then I checked the bias (too low) as it was getting crossover distortion (a month and a couple of gigs after I bought it). Looking at the Fender schematic it requires 54mv at the bias test points which only reads about 27-29mA per tube. At 347 plate voltage that computes to around 13w for each power tube. So Fender has it running very cold and when you crank the bias adjustment all the way, the most you can get is about 32mA per tube, which for a 6L6 @ 347v is still cold. Tried changing the tubes to better grade and got vibration ring and couldn't get bias above 30mA per tube and for JJ's that is extremely cold @ 347v. I've done this on both my Bandmaster VM and Deluxe VM and both have the exact same issue, so I'm sure now that it's spec. However, I really like the sound (minus the weaknesses) which is why I picked these up. Also a bummer that the speaker changes are very limited for the Deluxe. Only found 3 speakers that fit: the stock 70/80, Eminence Lil Texas and Tonkerlite both neos. But the tone of the 70/80 is better for my taste. Also the two 6L6's that came with mine don't appear to be the past GT labelled Sovtek 5881 wxt that were historically in HRD's. There's a different plate structure in there and the base is plain and no manufacuturer markings under the white GT label. I called Fender and they told me only bias to schematic specs, use only stock tubes and wouldn't give me any info on plate voltage spec.. for legal purposes no doubt. "Take it to your authorized service tech".. Which would mean that with only 1 guy in the area, they might get to it around 2010... Aside from my whining, I still like the sound and my overdrive pedal will get the volume up without issue.

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DefaultBad solder joints in Fender Deluxe VM

I just picked up a Fender Deluxe VM. It's a great amp but mine had a problem which I thought I would share just in case you run into one of these.

In my case, the overdrive channel occasionally became very noisy and the gain would drop out. It would still make a lot of noise even with the volume controls turned down completely. Tapping on the unit would make the noise change. Something was intermittent.

The clean channel made no noise. It worked perfectly.

I decided to isolate the circuit causing the noise as much as I could. I discovered that, if I plugged into the "Return" jack, the noise went away. So, I had the noise problem isolated to a small area of the circuit -- somewhere between the overdrive volume control and the "Return" jack.

I opened the unit and probed around. I found an IC U4 sensitive to pressure. Sure enough, this IC was in the circuit that I had already narrowed down. A close inspection revealed bad solder joints on the IC. It appears that there wasn't even a pad for one of the pins. I'm not sure if that was supposed to be like that or not. You could see that the solder on the adjacent pin had not flowed properly.

I reflowed the solder joints and now the amp works perfectly.
Here is a look at the circuit board prior to repair.

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